Firefox Home
- Dodano: 28 maja 2010
- Wprowadził: kocio
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Jak dostać się na zamkniętą platformę? Mozilla myślała, myślała – i wymyśliła. Zamiast wpychać na iPhone/iPod Touch całego Firefoksa, można przecież chociaż wysłać jego najważniejsze elementy.
Aplikacja Firefox Home for the iPhone ma się pojawić w Apple App Store w przyszłym miesiącu. W odróżnieniu od pełnowartościowej synchronizacji przez Weave Sync, jej zadaniem będzie jednostronne aktualizowanie historii, zakładek oraz otwartych kart Firefoksa na iPhonie w jego własnej przeglądarce.
Domyślnie Firefox Home ma działać na iPhonie oraz na iPod Touch, ale ta sama wersja powinna działać też na iPadach.
Więcej informacji: http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2010/05/26/...he-iphone/
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Nie wpuszczą Cię drzwiami, wejdź oknem. ;]
Może ktoś wyjaśnić o co chodzi?
A z czym?
A bo tak jakoś nie zrozumiałem o co chodzi w tym newsie, być może wiąże się z tym jakaś historia, której nie znam
OK, spróbuję streścić.
Firefoksa nie ma w iPhonie, bo Apple wykorzystuje co innego i nie potrzebuje drugiej przeglądarki. Firefox więc teoretycznie mógłby być dostępny chociaż przez sklepik (App Store), jednak sklepik jest obwarowany różnymi warunkami, w tym takimi, które uniemożliwiają dotrzymanie wolnych licencji (nad tym problemem właśnie pracuje obecnie FSF – http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-complia… ).
Nie wiem jak to w praktyce jest z ich podejściem do regulaminu AppStore, czy może zaważyły na tym inne względy (może była duża szansa, że Apple w ogóle nie zgodzi się na konkurencyjną przeglądarkę?), ale Mozilla zdecydowała się zamiast tego w sklepiku umieścić natywną aplikację "Firefox Home", która nie jest przeglądarką, tylko importuje do iPhone'a podstawowe dane z Firefoksa zainstalowanego na innym urządzeniu.
Jest jeszcze podobny mechanizm firefoksowy, Weave, który służy do synchronizacji przez sieć danych Firefoksa między jego różnymi instalacjami, ale w odróżnieniu od niego Firefox Home działa tylko w jedną stronę – importuje do iPhone'a, ale nie eksportuje danych z przeglądarki Apple.
Nie to, żeby to uzdrawiało rany postrzałowe, ale fajny bajer.
@kocio: Pozwole sobie sprostowac czesc propagandy.
1. Drugiej przegladarki Apple nie potrzebuje, ale Opera Mini w Appstore jest. Co prawda jej popularnosc jest zadna (weszla na moment na pierwsze miejsce, ale natychmiast zleciala, bo wbudowane Safari jest zwyczajnie lepsze), ale jest.
2. Z AppStorem problem ma glownie RMS. Firefox nie jest na licencji GPL, wiec problemu z tej strony nie powinno byc – bo problem z kompatybilnoscia roznych rzeczy z GPL wynika z zapisow licencji GPL, nie tych "roznych rzeczy"; inne licencje problemow z kompatybilnoscia nie maja.
nad uzdrawianiem ran postrzalowych aktywnie pracujemy. z checia przyjmiemy tez gotowe patche
"Naginanie faktów do tezy – ćwiczenia praktyczne" by E. T. Napierała.
Serio?
@Reddie: Wnosze, iz nie masz dostepu do AppStore'a, trudno. W kwestii popularnosci Opery – ktorej droga do pierwszego miejsca i z powrotem poza TOP ilestam zajela bodajze cztery dni – musisz wiec wierzyc na slowo.
Co do licencji Firefoksa – jak jest kilka licencji, to mozna sobie wybrac. Jesli mozna wybrac miedzy GPL i, mniej restrykcyjnym, MPL, to wystarczy spelnic wymagania dowolnej z tych licencji – a MPL warunki AppStore'a raczej nie przeszkadzaja, bo i czemu mialyby. Zreszta AppStore dystrybuuje binarki, a, wedlug twojego linka, "Binary releases of Firefox and Thunderbird are made available under the MPL."
> 1. Drugiej przegladarki Apple nie potrzebuje, ale Opera Mini w Appstore jest
Opera Mini nie jest przeglądarką internetową tylko rozbudowanym czytnikiem JPEGów z klikalnymi mapami.
Z tego powodu i, obawiam sie, tylko tego zostala dopuszczona.
@Zbigniew Braniecki: Zostala dopuszczona, bo ktos nie widzial powodow, zeby jej nie dopuszczac. Jesli jeszcze nie zauwazyles, to reguly AppStore'a nie sa specjalnie sztywne. Nie mialoby to sensu, bo maja na celu "uregulowac ekosystem", a nie wkurzac ludzi i narzucac bezsensowne ograniczenia. Dlatego bez wiekszego problemu mozna znalezc aplikacje, ktore, gdyby reguly potraktowac doslownie, nigdy by sie w AppStore nie znalazly – na przyklad m48 czy wlasnie Opera Mini (regulamin nie definiuje przegladarki jako "programu pobierajacego dane przez HTTP i renderujacego HTML i cala reszte bez uzycia mechanizmow systemowych"; "na zdrowy rozum" jesli cos wyglada jak przegladarka i dziala jak przegladarka, to jest przegladarka).
Fakt, co do binarek masz rację. Co do popularności Opery to nie liczy się to, ile czasu była w TOP, tylko ile osób ją przez ten czas pobrało i nie wyrzuciło.
@Reddie: Co do zrodel tez mam racje – licencja GPL to jedna z opcji, ale nie jedyna, wiec problemy licencji GPL z AppStore'em w tym przypadku nie powinny byc problemem.
A co do popularnosci – pomysl w wolnej chwili, dlaczego TOP25 (czy ilestam) nie jest tworzone tak, jak ci sie wydaje.
Z tego co zrozumiałem, to Mozilla chciała wydać Firefoksa. Więc gdyby dotyczyło to źródeł, to musieliby wydać wersję na iPhone'a licencjonowaną tylko MPL. Co oczywiście byłoby możliwe, ale Mozilla w wyraźny sposób nie chce z pozostałych dwóch licencji zrezygnować.
Olśnij mnie.
@Reddie: Slabo zrozumiales. Przeczytaj jeszcze raz, co napisalem o podwojnym licencjonowaniu.
A co do popularnosci – ilosc pobran, w sumie, mowi, czy cos _bylo_ popularne. Ilosc kolejnych pobran – czyli TOP25 – mowi o tym, czy cos _jest_ popularne.
1) Ale co to ma do tego, że FF chciała wydać Mozilla? Chyba, że gdzieś tam piszesz, że nie chciała, ale sorry – jakoś ci nie wierzę.
2) Jak to mierzy?
@trasz: problem z tym co opisales polega na tym, ze okreslenie "Apple niestosuje regulaminu restrykcyjnie" to odwracanie kota ogonem i tlumaczenie, ze co prawda zasady sa drakonskie, ale laskawy Pan moze je w wybranych przez siebie przypadkach uchylic. "A mogl zabic".
Twierdze (jak napisalem powyzej), ze jednak Opera Mini zostala dopuszczona wylacznie dlatego, ze nie jest przegladarka. Opera Mobile nie zostalaby dopuszczona, Firefox Mobile nie zostalby i tak dalej.
Oczywiscie, jak napisalem, laskawy Pan moze zezwolic w przyszlosci, uczynic wyjatek, uklon, ale to bedzie tylko uklon, a laska Panska na pstrym koniu jezdzi
@Zbigniew Braniecki: Bo to jest sklep, a nie podrecznik analitycznego calkowania. Tak to ze sprzedaza jest, ze czasem trzeba pogadac z kim trzeba.
Zwlaszcza, ze dobra wola jest – wbrew temu, co niektorzy twierdza – po obu stronach; tzn. obu stronom zalezy, aby cos sprzedac. Jedyny warunek jest taki, zeby "nie psuc ekosystemu". I dlatego rzeczy takie jak m48, ewidentnie niezgodne z regulaminem (wykonywanie kodu ze zrzutu oryginalnego ROM-u) sa i maja sie dobrze.
trasz ma rację. Wbudowane Safari jest lepsze od Opery Mini. I tylko dlatego Opera została dopuszczona. Apple nie chce dopuszczać złego softu? Być może, i często rzeczywiście to robi. Ale zdecydowanie nie chce dopuszczać czegoś, co obniży jego kontrolę nad użytkownikiem i dochód.
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